Thursday, February 24, 2011

Arguments Against the Amway Business

(Commenting and being anonymous cannot prove anything. I take all the Anon comments as INVALID.)

I am considering buying my last batch of Amway products that I will buy. It is too expensive without the new IBO bonus.
and then I will wait for a couple of months doing and buy nothing.


Personally, I think 5 hour energy is working better than XS. XS works only for 1 to 2 hours. 5-hour energy are more concentrated and thus delivers more value. A few very little sip (total of less than one fourth of the bottle) of 5-hour energy works for 1 to 2 hours for me.
and my downline has tried to sell artistry and the girls said that Artistry is bad, and they already know. The girls says that Artistry made up does not last and only good on the stage...
The entire glister line is not ADA approved. The Glister oral rinse. I tried it, it is cheaper than what is out there, however, I use it before I sleep, I feel weird taste when I wake up next morning. That means, the oral rinse does not work too well.
Nutrilite, you can buy it in Amazon if you really need it. There is no need to be an IBO to get like IBO price.

Amway has been a distraction so far.
Amway business - it is like you are doing the business, but it is not a real business, because it is hardly profitable for all IBOs.
Amway business - it is like you are going to the swimming pool, but the swimming pool don't have enough water in it for you to swim in.

The problem of Amway products in general, either they are not up to par on quality, or they will be more expensive. Then 500000 products are down to a handful of them are sellable. Then a handful of them is not enough to make money. yea, 500,000 that is not high PV though.
that will down to a handful few.

I believe that I can find a substitute that work as good and cheaper. If there is no replacement, I can buy from ebay and amazon.

Upline: don't you think that is also the case with apple laptops?
me: Hype based products. Do you think macbook is good? I don't think so. No seperate backspace and delete, touchpad is hard to use, apple being sued for things that really don't work. Apple care is good though.

Upline: i don't but it's my product
i would love it and i can see why people would love it. don't you think you would feel the same? don't you think you have a lot more ownership of it than a product you buy from a normal store?

me: In Amway, I cannot control how I price the product, then it is not MY product. I would love to feel the ownership, but what you think that are yours are not really yours. You don't have full control. You go with the drift. The patents are not yours, and the products are not yours.
it is pretty much the same as you buy things from Costco and sell it at a higher price.
Except Amway is lack of choice.

Upline: structure is not there right?

me:
I will start a new business of my own later down the road, and that I can make sure that my service can really sell. Amway 9.2 billion vs. Walmart 178 billion - then you know the business model is going to a wrong direction - if you think Amway is successful. Structure may not be required for a successful business.

Upline:
you forgot about the 25%, 4%, 6% delay gratification? you already have 5 downlines. it can only grow more. you only have to follow the upline and he'll work for you
don't you think it's worth it to try and meet the upline half way. he's willing to do anything to help you succeed

me:
I actually talk about the 25,4,6 with someone just a moment ago. I believe that the upline people are genuine (because they are victims as well.), but the flaw of the scheme too big. Since I know the turn over rate for new IBO is high. they should realize the problem exists.

upline sponsor: don't you think that there's a reason why the people who go platnium and above are the strongest believers
don't you think they all had to go through a doubtful phrase? how many poeple do you see at the gym that have abs??
how many people you think wants abs? don't you think they all do??

me: you are assuming the Amway formula is 100% working.
Since, the downline is at disadvantage, and the upline get a lot better for their situation because they get more profit than the downline.
Amway - a system that make 4000 diamonds happy, exploit the rest of the a million IBOs underneath.
Since it is hard to convince people to buy Amway products, retail is sparse.
you will not make any commission and bonus if you don't get more than 100PV.
if you get 100PV, you will get paid $3, $5 in the check?
If a product is very very very good, and most of the customers don't realize the benefit of added cost. Then it is an uncompetitive product.
Since it is Amway, their price should be consumer friendly. or it will be a hardsell. Conclusion: Amway products are not for priced properly the mass.

upline sponsor: I am not assuming. don't you think that it is 100%, that's why so many can become diamonds
there have never been a record of an IBO. who goes hard 5 nights a week for 2 years. and do not become anything. do you ever see anyone quiting? and did that??

me: Diamonds quit, Rubies weep.

upline sponsor: yes, but they did not quit becuase the business didn't work right?

me: there were.
A recent lawsuit brought against Amway by a group of its top level distributors claimed the Amway is an illegal pyramid, that its products are too highly priced to be retailed and that less than 4% of it products are ever purchased by retail customers. All others are purchased only by the distributors, who are on the pyramid chain.
That is just one of the TLD groups that complains. Now it comes to: is it moral to support a company like that. Even you are at the top, the IBOAI board don't work well for you. I don't even trust the US justice system.

Politians lobbies all the time. Law changes because of the politians. and politians are controlled/affiliated with companies. Court rulings are base on the laws.
Law does not stop Amway and that does not mean Amway is working great. BBB is all about how a business resolve complains. That is it. Are the customers/IBOs are happy for the resolution, we don't know. Amway gets an AAA at BBB is not the prove of a great business.

The truth is in the tax returns of the IBO victims and Amway/Quixtar may soon be forced to make those public. If that truth is out, Amway is game over.
All good MLM members are taught to stay away from negative people. Ignore the naysayers. They’re just losers who wanted a get-rich-quick scheme and didn’t work hard and are generally lazy. They want to steal your dreams. It’s all a grand scheme to convince Amway members that they should not listen to logic and reason. After all, they have to pretend Amway is a good business or they couldn’t sell it to others, right?


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So my another upline thinks that they can earn PVs and BVs by going to bestbuy. They bought the JVC GZ-MS110 camcorder for $240 a month ago. Even right now, there is a $40 gap. There is no way the PV/BV will earn them back the $40 gap in the Amway check.


Axiom by the geeks: Bestbuy is always a ripoff. These sodomized ripoff dreams never end if you stick with Bestbuy.


$159
http://www.amazon.com/JVC-GZ-MS110-Everio-Memory-Camcorder/dp/B003AFQEMA


$199
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/JVC+-+Everio+Digital+Camcorder+with+2.7%22+Color+LCD+Monitor+-+Black/9731174.p;jsessionid=F01A6BB4A36E102FE0D06045C9C77056.bbolsp-app02-07?id=1218162687660&skuId=9731174&st=JVC+GZ-MS110&cp=1&lp=1


$99 DADA!! Newegg.com - Recertified: JVC Everio GZ-MS110 Black 39X Optical Zoom Camcorder
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830145184&Tpk=GZMS110BUS

New not refurb $110
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/671779-REG/JVC_GZMS110BUS_GZ_MS110_Everio_S_Flash.html


$240 Bestbuy vs. $110 bhphoto


My upline was having a very bad judgement here. PV does not get them much money. There is a $130 gap there. Consider my upline is at 2500PV level, she is definitely losing money by buying from Bestbuy through her Amway IBOship.



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[1] IBO Perfect water Tip Test (showing some IBOs are deceptive scamming people all around)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQynGvjGUz0&feature=related

[2] Multilevel marketing or 'pyramid?' Sales people find it hard to earn much
By Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAYUpdated 2/10/2011
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-02-07-multilevelmarketing03_CV_N.htm

[3] GNC Maximum Greens™ Ultra Mega® Green without Iron as pointed out from [2]  ($39.99)
http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2882887

2 comments:

Way said...

Interesting.  I was just thinking of getting into some kind of "side business," but from what you're saying, Amway is not it. Another friend told me about some new company that is the same kind of thing (you have to sell to ppl and then they can sell from you, etc), but maybe I'll try something else. Don't know what...any ideas? What are you doing now?

Way said...

Late here--but I'm doing some research on Amway and just wondered if there was a source for the "500,000" products--any ideas where that number is derived from? Thanks, Bob